The Changing Face of Antisemitism

Sunday, June 19, 2022

What Is It

Antisemitism is an old problem with roots that reach back to medieval Europe. While earlier forms focused more on religious bigotry, antisemitism in the modern period became increasingly racialized and politicized. So what is the connection between older ideas about Jews and Judaism, and contemporary antisemitic tropes and stereotypes? How are conspiratorial fears about Jewish invisibility and global control related to the emergence of finance capitalism? And what can history teach us about how to confront antisemitism today? Josh and Ray ask historian Francesca Trivellato from the Institute for Advanced Study, editor of Jews in Early Modern Europe (forthcoming), in a program recorded live at the Stanford Humanities Center.

 

Transcript

Transcript

Ray Briggs  
Where did antisemitism come from?

Josh Landy  
Is it racism, religious bigotry or something else?

Ray Briggs  
And what can history teach us about what's going on today?

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Thursday, April 21, 2022 -- 5:07 AM

I would ask Ms. Trivellato to

I would ask Ms. Trivellato to contrast treatment of Jewish communities with that of the Roma.

I do not understand us/them conflicts like the one in the Ukraine. What disturbs me is that antisemitism often is turned on the poorest and unfortunate and not the rich.

Most disturbing is Israeli intent to sell and continue to sell Pegasus to Putin's Russia despite the evil.

There are many choices I don't get. I'm keeping friends close and enemies farther of late. Those that deal in the devil are causing havoc. Antisemitism might be touching on the root. It is far too past time to pull the weeds.

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Thursday, April 21, 2022 -- 4:15 PM

To: second paragraph, second

To: second paragraph, second sentence: What do you find undisturbing and by implication acceptable about antisemitism turned on the rich?

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Friday, April 22, 2022 -- 6:26 PM

Wealth is a blessing and a

Wealth is a blessing and a curse. The cleansing of the Temple, its destruction, and the loss of everyday blood sacrifice in the Judaic tradition are touchpoints Francesca will likely discuss as historical impacts on modern antisemitism.

Many wealthy people don't pay just taxes, come upon their wealth by chance, and maintain their wealth by abusing the privileges it garners, all of which I might find undisturbing about hatred toward the rich. But that is not what I am saying here, nor am I implying acceptance of antisemitism in any context.

False belief as justification for immoral acts is more anxiety-inducing than actions based on true belief.

Ukrainian soldiers executing a helpless Russian soldier after a battle is less worrisome than Russian soldiers hog tieing non-combatant Ukrainian citizens and executing them. The latter is especially true when these soldiers are supposedly there to liberate these civilians. A similar pretense is alive in antisemitic acts, not excluding those in Ukraine. Thinking about those acts makes this show all the more timely.

Antisemites are steeped in the false belief that Jews are driven by religion, wealth, and subversive influence. The majority of Jewish people are secular (contrary to the ancient trope of antisemitism), not wealthy (contrary to the modern trope stemming from medieval times,) and have their voices threatened daily by antisemitic thought (which is why Israel treads such a tenuous path.) I find these false premises disturbing, as I do misleading implications, and I don't imply or intend the latter here.

I encouraged the juxtaposition of the persecution of the Roma and Jews by a professional historian to highlight and suggest ways to think about antisemitism and the unjust and brutal war in the Ukraine. The latter here is where I spend the plurality of my free thought at the moment. The similarities between Christianity and Judaism regarding antisemitism shed light on the underlying causes of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine regarding their traditions and history.

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Sunday, April 24, 2022 -- 11:20 AM

In the second to last

In the second to last paragraph above, you mention Israeli state behavior as treading a tenuous path in relation to traditional forms of anti-semitism going back to the middle ages. I'm interested in the character of this tenuousness. Israel has been engaged after 1967 in a campaign of military and settler-expansion into Palestinian territory which is illegal under international law. Because current Israeli leadership calls itself, with some good reason, a "jewish state", this unacceptably immoral behavior fits easily into customary antisemitic attitudes. So is the post '67 behavior of the Israeli state in your view not only reflected in the current resurgence of antisemitism, but in some sense also a direct cause of it?

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Sunday, April 24, 2022 -- 6:34 PM

Israel is not a direct cause

Israel is not a direct cause or even a reflection of antisemitic resurgence. I would listen to others, but that is my take.

Israel has as much relation to antisemitism as the US has to racism or South Africa to apartheid. The association is complicated but not a current driver. (Yes, I don't think racism is a current driver of conflict in the US so much as class. There are still historical issues of race in the US that dominate our sociology.) Antisemitism has existed since ancient times, and some of that hate is still in circulation. Most of the cause and flux of antisemitic thought is derived from Medieval and modern economic movements. Israeli actions (since its inception) have little to do with increased antisemitism. The creation of Israel is a fulcrum for fighting hatred, in my opinion. Having a homeland makes the issues tangible.

The history of the founding of the state of Israel is complex. The military conflicts since that founding are fundamental to the current state of affairs. I would that the Palestinians had accepted the original offer. I would that Kurds had their own state and that Roma peoples could find similar territorial borders to throw up identity and force human respect for peoples who have in deep history been victimized by ethnic hate. (Since I am going all subjunctive here - let me also add - I have more than a little regret that the Israelis gave back the Sinai Peninsula. The development in that short period of remarkable and the native Bedouin would be better off without Egyptian occupation - in my opinion. I would also alleviate space issues elsewhere for everyone. End rant.)

Recent initiatives in projects like Pegasus and partisanship on behalf of Sunni interests have, in my view (which is likely wrong,) calmed the waters of Jewish hate more than inflamed them. But that has left others, including Jews in Ukraine, at risk. Given the history of antisemitism and the debt they owe their ancestors, Israel's hardliners are too hard not to allow hate to harm current victims of conflict as it did them.

I look forward to Francesca generalizing the learnings from the hatred of Jews to the hatred in general. There is more hate than ten years ago, perhaps, and more, significantly so, in the last five years. The increase I would attribute to the politicizing of traditionally nonpartisan issues like public health, voting rights, free speech (there are others), and outright mass migrations and conflicts.

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Monday, April 25, 2022 -- 10:31 AM

Although your analysis above

Although your analysis above is not clear as to semiological intent, three components are identifiable which deserve discussion:

1) You fail to distinguish between the Israeli state and the occupation of Palestinian territories. They are two different things. One functions as an internationally recognized nation-state. The other is illegal according to international law. How this can be ignored needs serious scrutiny.

2) Your second paragraph from the end is almost indecipherable except for a very important point made in its last sentence: How is it that former crimes against a demographic group can serve to justify crimes resembling them by that group against another? As the term "semite" refers to an inhabitant of a geographical area, and does not in its etymology identify any particular ethnic group or genetic lineage, the racism directed towards Arabs by some Israeli Jews can also be correctly described as antisemitic and as such, the ongoing siege against, and periodic military incursions into, the area of Gaza, is a salient display of contemporary antisemitic brutality. You are quite correct to point that out.

3) There are two ambiguities of reference which demand clarification: First sentence, second paragraph from the end: Your term "Jewish hate". Does it refer to something directed against Jews, or something Jews direct against others? And first sentence of last paragraph: Your phrase "hatred of Jews". Is it an objective genitive, as description of a hated object? Or is it a subjective genitive, as describing a hating subject? Because these ambiguities seem to be deliberate, unless you can confirm one pair of interpretations and exclude their opposite, one can safely presume they are meant to be read in both ways according to the reader's predilection.

My original question has not been addressed, only its premise denied. If you continue to keep your reasoning secret with regards to how you can separate contemporary antisemitism from Israeli state behavior in the occupied territories, your readers are likely to conclude that you don't have any.

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 -- 11:19 AM

To be clear, I indeed deny

To be clear, I indeed deny your premise. Israel is not a direct cause or even a reflection of antisemitic resurgence, and that, despite a typo or two, is my view.

Semiology is not germane and dryly esoteric in a conversation concerning antisemitism.

The term "Semite" has largely lost its meaning in modern usage and had more to do with a commonality of language than geography. However, the two were essentially the same in ancient history. Extending antisemitism to Israeli actions is to obscure the nature of the ethnic hate that drives it and possibly could be considered antisemitic. Let's defer to common usage and the topic at hand. This is not to say that others, like the Roma, the Kurds, and the Palestinians, do not require higher justice.

I prefer that modern Palestine and Israel had agreed to the 1947 partition plan, which approximates the current jurisdictions between Israel and Palestine, minus overreach by Israel and several thousand lives that might have been saved. The current state of affairs is unjust from any perspective but cannot be disambiguated from the military conflicts and issues that have brought about the status quo. Antisemitism can be attributed to Arabs who have resisted Jewish immigration and settlement, but the conflict is political and economic. Arabs would not care if a Jewish homeland were established outside the middle east; antisemites would care.

Very recent initiatives by Israel have calmed the waters of the Arab-Israeli conflict while disenfranchising Palestinians. If people disagree about this, the net contribution of current events is no great increase, at least, over the far more militant actions of events since 1947. This may be a matter of perspective on what one considers recent and what events we are discussing. Selling Pegasus technology to Sunni nations and countries outside the Middle East has decreased tensions between Israel and some states while endangering others, some of which have significant Jewish populations and even leadership. These endangered others are where I find hypocrisy.

In any case, I indeed deny your premise. Israel is not a direct cause or even a reflection of antisemitic resurgence, even as the founding of Israel is. I would listen to others, but that is my take.

Israeli actions are no proxy for controlling antisemitism outside the middle east either, where most Jews are secular or traditional. Though comparatively better off economically than other religious and ethnic groups, most Jews are not wealthy either. This disparity is especially so for the vulnerable ones who are often the victims of antisemitism.

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Thursday, May 19, 2022 -- 7:02 AM

When I posted this ==>

When I posted this ==>

“False belief as justification for immoral acts is more anxiety-inducing than actions based on true belief.”

I may be wrong.

False belief may be less anxiety-inducing, and accepting tropes may be an easier path to peace of mind. My example of war atrocity (Ukrainian soldiers killing helpless Russian soldiers) vs. war crime (Russian soldiers killing helpless Ukrainians – albeit civilians) may be too harsh.

But I don’t think I am wrong.

Putting credence into thought is always deceptive. Doing this and respecting other perspectives is hard.

The path of least anxiety is not the best in either case. Action is needed over words. But first, good words must be spoken and evil ones put aside.

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Friday, May 13, 2022 -- 8:43 AM

Jealousy is an evil and

Jealousy is an evil and insidious thing. As a young person, my memories of comments/criticisms of Jews always seemed to be perjorative. People of my parent's and grandparent's generations far more often made caustic remarks. Jews were shrewd business people. They would cheat you, any way they could. So, it was a not a far stretch to conclude no Jewish person could be trusted Generational ethnic condemnation. This sort of thing continues now, across a broad range of issues. We call it culture war.
Anyhow, Nietzsche may have said it best---if it was he who said it: whatever does not kill you makes you stronger. A good rule of thumb for any oppressed people.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2022 -- 10:11 AM

In discussion of the new anti

In discussion of the new anti-Semitism it seems important to distinguish it from two recent previous ones. The first is an artificially generated version designed to deflect criticism of actions and policies for which the Israeli state together with the relationship to the U.S. is/are responsible. This occurs e.g. in exceptions to international law on grounds of state-survival, and therefore by association as asserted in terms of Jewish nationalism, the objections to which thereby can be termed as anti-Semitic by means of that association, translating support for international law into the translator's claim of offense against the respective population.

The second anti-Semitism is the one which makes the same arbitrary association but on the other side of it. On the receiving end of respective state conduct, deflecting demands for critique of conduct is not the target, but rather the claim of association as generalized to the offending object as associated with the extra-national population in whose name the state behaves.

If these two anti-Semitisms above are put aside, what's left is the current one in the Western industrialized nations, which in my view is in largest part a result of the crisis in economics occurring November of '08. In that relation it can't be accurately viewed as a relationship between two separate groups, with one as actor and the other as patient. This is true on account of the fact that the institutional form in a given society is characteristically shared in more fundamental ways than associated cultural pullulations; and as these institutional forms belong to social institutions, they are by association if not by definition matters of choice. What I'd like to argue here is that a more fundamental causal determination can be found in a distinction between two sets of choices, rather than between two or more cultural groups. As a means of one set overriding the practical efficiency of the other set, Anti-Semitism, as a tool of blaming economic exploitation on a non-responsible party, emerges in the service of collective apology for participation in this exploitation. Anti-Semitism as a heritage therefore counts for very little. Its heritability-function consists in lying around in the actor's toolbox, as a participation-apology. (The word "scapegoat" is here avoided, since its reference to animal sacrifice would confuse the issue). More important are the conditions under which this tool was deployed, which have to do with prevailing elements of our financial system. Perhaps it might be of some assistance, then, to review some elements of the '08 crash and the government's response, commonly referred to in terms of a crisis in the derivatives-market and a "bank-bailout". A derivative is a secondary form of tradable security derived from a primary one. As a condition for a loan, for example, the recipient agrees to buy something from the lender, say a bag of apples, at a later date. The lender needs insurance against default, so at least she or he will sell a bag of apples out to the deal before the lender loses the principle or, extended more generally, files for bankruptcy. The role played by a derivative in this example is as an insurance contract, but where such contracts can be bundled together and traded as a single package, the need for oversite by an impartial party to prevent fraud becomes evident. The crash of the housing market in November illustrated the system's unregulated character by showing how repayment of loans became irrelevant once their contracts had been included in a package of securities which is sold by the firm which wrote them. The top incentive was to lend out as much as possible, knowing that most wouldn't be payed back so that the insurance contracts against loan default can be drawn upon. This had the effect that any asset still liquid was drained out of the economy, so that a multinational version of a run on the banks ensued.

The original borrower was in all respects defrauded into unaffordable loans. This fact together with the unpopular recapitalization of the big investment banks, instead of the much more rational response of nationalizing them and the banking sector in general, generated the conditions under which the current form of Anti-Semitism, (which has distinct characteristcs not shared by other forms, such as a relationship to frequent references to what's called "border security"), has been not only deployed as insertable apologetics into the typical functioning of the predatory financial elements of the prevailing economic system, but has exercised it's more overt and extreme elements as nurse to respective anti-social potential. Here the typical anti-Semitic tropes as a handed-down heritage can be fitted easily into an otherwise accurate account of the government's response and continued similar financial behaviors. The well-intentioned borrower was swindled into a bad deal because he/she couldn't understand the terms of the contract, so that the TARP program (the Troubled Assets Relief Program) looks like a reward to the predators and a disregard for the afflicted. Only with respect to the facility of associating the actual institutional conduct with inherited fears and prejudices do these latter play any detectable role. Primary on the contrary is the way it fits into the narrative that the bearing of such views can hold as a personal absolution from involvement in the anti-social behaviors which can now be in effect tacked onto another apt carrier, in effective place of an understanding of one's own involvement and optional participation.

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Tim Smith

Tuesday, May 17, 2022 -- 4:15 AM

Daniel,

Daniel,

Did you read the recent postings of the shooter in Buffalo or see the live streams of that violence? That is the topic here.

I follow your points here, as well, and see their root. Speak plainly please so that others can follow. This is a very deep dive, and I would argue feint, at a time when clarity and purpose are needed.

What is your solution if you have one?

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Tuesday, May 17, 2022 -- 9:29 AM

A solution for what?

A solution for what?

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Tuesday, May 17, 2022 -- 11:05 AM

Good enough.

Good enough.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2022 -- 1:51 PM

For what? Are you trying to

For what? Are you trying to say that you don't know what you're asking? If I knew, an answer would be forthcoming. Why keep it a secret? There's a few different possibilities to guess at. You might be wondering about a solution to the economic arrangements which condition and give rise to deployment of anti-Semitism as a psychological palliative for their participants. Another possibility is that your cryptic request might involve inquiry about U.S. support for the Israeli state and looking the other way when it comes to settlement expansion. Another could concern the historical inheritance of anti-Semitic tropes readily available when some in positions of authority want deflect blame for their actions on someone else. You're not being at all clear, which gives rise to a true puzzlement as to what you expect to receive in return for such vague and insubstantial requisitions. What's "good enough" about a simple inquiry into the object of your question?

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Wednesday, May 18, 2022 -- 10:58 PM

Daniel,

Daniel,

What happened in Buffalo, NY? If you won't speak to that, good enough.

"Solution" is a weighty term in a discussion of antisemitism. It is consolation enough not to have a solution when the question of racial slaughter that is part and parcel of white nationalism and rooted in 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' doesn't give you pause or consideration.

White nationalism has been nascent in the Pacific Northwest well before 2008 due to the civil rights movement's success. Wherever white nationalists act, antisemitism is not too far behind. I have read Eric Ward and listened to him speak. He makes sense to me. Sublime sense.

The march on the capital is not a nonsequitur either.

US policy is not to blame for white nationalism. Israel has its ethnic hate to deal with, and its democracy is strong, well-established, and vibrant to confront the hatred. Hostility toward Ukrainians, Kurds, Romani, and Palestinians is similar but not quite the same as antisemitism. Focus on the actions of western democracies, and financial crises is misplaced.

I wanted to attend this live event, and now I regret not taking the time to do it. Maybe Francesca will speak to these issues with authority and will change my view. I will hold for her words.

Right now, I'm thinking about the mindset of the shooter in Buffalo and that of Russia as they demolish Mariupol. In both cases, antisemitic beliefs are in action.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2022 -- 8:31 PM

Not a solution, but a civic

Not a solution, but a civic and social responsibility is to elicit distinctness where ambiguous references are used to appeal discretely to other anti-Semites, as some might interpret with regards to the way the phrase "Jewish hate" is used in first sentence of the fourth paragraph of the post of 4/24/22, 6:34 pm above. I don't recall its author clarifying it for the reader.

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Tim Smith

Wednesday, May 18, 2022 -- 11:04 PM

Daniel,

Daniel,

Clarity isn't going to help if you think antisemitism is rooted in US policy and the financial crisis of 2008. If I am wrong, look to the other post you made and the author's clarifications there. His name is Tim... :-)

The hate within or without Israel is not the issue.

We disagree on this, but there are elements we share. Antisemitism is a diversion, and we both agree on that, perhaps. Just on what antisemitism is scapegoating, we again differ. The resurgence, in my view, is rooted in white dispossession and the weighted demographic change that is threatening white majority rule. Pluralism is scarry, and antisemitism is too, but at least it puts the blame on an old enemy and not your jim crow grandparents (and yeah... I had a few of those.)

I do want to listen to this show. So many conflicts inside America and elsewhere are resonant from this discussion.

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Friday, May 20, 2022 -- 9:22 AM

The issue of the anti

The issue of the anti-Semitisms having to do with Israeli state-conduct, both as artificially generated internally to deflect any critique of it and arbitrarily expanded externally to include those not responsible for it, can as said above be safely put aside for topical purposes, as being determined by a different set of causes, having to do with colonial expansion more than economic malfeasance. Your reference to the recent events in Buffalo is to an effect of anti-Semitism (among presumably several other things), not a cause of it. In a similar relation, references to propaganda tracts are to mere instruments in the toolbox of rhetoric, in possession of no determinative capacity until someone picks it up and starts using it. And truly useless is trying to confuse the issue by a supremacist's claim of nationalist aspiration as having any determinative value whatsoever except for the fact that its fanaticism and violent potential can be favored by one side or another in political contests, or even be conceivably deputized by an unpopular government as a defense against popular will. But to say it's a cause of contemporary anti-Semitism has little to defend it. As another remark, your reference to a "march on the Capitol", which I suppose refers to January 6, 2021, as "not a non-sequitur", is unintelligible. If you're trying to say that the attempted coup was a cause of anti-Semitism just because anti-Semites were involved in it, then it would be just as non-sensical as if one said that because a hammer was used in a construction project, that it's the cause of its blue-print drawn up by the architect.

To the contrary, I argue that the cause of contemporary anti-Semitism is the historical plunge into recession as a result of the '08 crisis together with how the recovery from it was managed by the state. As historical objects are complex ones, their causes can not be isolated and are untestable by experimental methods. For this reason the imagination must come to the aid of the understanding which, since it's object is imagined as something believed to be real, or to have existed at one time, this special variety of rendered aid in the context of the historical sciences can be called the "historical" imagination. The special domain which belongs to it is optative in tendency. More than the causes of what actually occurred, the historical imagination constitutes an instrument for determination of the causes of what didn't happen, but could have. Only when one ascertains the cause of the latter, can one do so for the former.

The most salient characteristic of response within the economics-intelligentsia to the crash was bafflement, whether genuine or pretended. While many in the economics establishment claimed to not understand how things went wrong, many who "acted in good faith" were adversely effected. The psychology is hard to miss, and is written of by Professor Trivellato as part of the ambiguous relationship which European commerce has with credit (cf. "The Rumor About the Jews", January 8, 2020), so that in both pre-industrial finance and industrial capitalism a destructive demon must be found to account for the negative consequences with rarely detectable causes of a system upon which major sectors of society had become dependent or addicted.

The causes of the current form, understood as a complex object, are, as stated above, three in number. One is availability for use as a demonization-tool, as handed down by cultural history. A second is the openness of its common or frequent reception; and the third is the most fundamental, and underlies the other two: the cause of the conditions which open the arms of reception to the use of its traditional form. As this cause is the '08 crisis and how its problems were solved by those in government, it becomes important to understand what it is.

The event began in September of 2008 with the collapse of two major financial firms, Lehman Brothers and A.I.G. (American International Group). Their problem was something the other investment banks were doing too: "over-leveraging" borrowed money by that actually possessed by the bank at any given time. "Leverage" is the economic term for the proportional ratio between money that's borrowed and how much the lender has. Occurring in the housing market by overselling loans, it opened the door, (after the illegal merger between Citicorp and Travelers, becoming Citigroup, made legal the next year [see- "Graham-Leach-Bliley Act", 1999] and overturning the New Deal's Glass-Steagall law, which insulates deposits in commercial banks from being used in speculation by investment banks), for investment banks to borrow from one another, using derivatives from the loans held by borrowers as insurance against their own default to repay. The result of this was that the debt-function of the low-level transaction becomes irrelevant as overridden by the derivative-function of the loan contracts. Because these latter are packaged together and sold to other banks, their only service to the speculator consists in the failure to be paid back. And as such a system is unsustainable, (as liquid assets are limited), the loan-contract derivatives, called "credit-default swaps", lose all exchange value, or become "junk bonds".

To reiterate: The primary cause of the current form of anti-Semitism is its conditioning by the management of an economic system in which fraud is encouraged and economic good faith is a liability. Largely because of investment-bank recapitalization, (the "too big to fail" policy, constituting the government's insurance policy in the tax-base for investment bank-insolvency), the appearance of an unconcealable insidiousness was produced which caused a need in educated and popular thinking as to how to accommodate one's dislike for how the system works to one's voluntary participation in it. As a tool for self-apology one demon is as good as another, and purported Jewish associations, involving the "rumor" (Professor Trivellato's term) that medieval Jews invented letters of exchange and maritime insurance, function efficiently for the purpose.

Any possible solution to the problem must therefore come from an accurate understanding of its fundamental causes. As these latter are argued here to belong to the relatively unregulated and speculative character of our economic system which favors wealth-concentration in the private investment banking sector, the most rational suggestion which is ready to hand is to nationalize the banking sector and open its books to public accountants. To remedy the conditions which furnish the receptacle to its symptoms is the first step in alleviating the source of the problem.

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Saturday, May 21, 2022 -- 7:23 AM

Daniel,

Daniel,

To reiterate your view: Antisemitism is conditioned behavior based on rumor, and Antisemitism is encouraged by a government that fosters financial fraud. The fraud justifies antisemitism in educated and popular thinkers for whom the rumored Jewish medieval financial instruments modeled the housing bubble of 2008. Is your answer for this same government to take over the banking system to restore order?

Your solution reflects the models of white nationalists, who would overthrow our capital and take back their government; however, you see no commonality between racist killings by these white supremacists and similar aggression by antisemites.

This show is now in post-production and will be a rich learning opportunity. Will we listen? That is the question, and I will at least offer to listen, even as I respond to your posts here.

As I said in response to your comparison of deontology and utilitarianism in the discussion of Akan personhood and the contrast between the views of Kwame Gyekye and Kwasi Wiredu (who has since passed) seven months ago…

https://www.speakpipe.com/msg/s/174998/3/jhtrf55mvfbtb2hb

… you are a deontological philosopher who desires to understand the world from first principles. The world does not work like that, and it is messy, confusing, and in the moment simple if, from the historical perspective, complex.

There are few greater examples, if any, than antisemitic aggressions. Yes, the Buffalo shooting is related, as are the killing of Sikhs and the separation of families from their children at our border. I’m not saying antisemitism is to blame for the treatment of the Romani, the Palestinians, or the Kurds. I am saying that people who look at recent antisemitic aggressors find them to be similar in motive, organization, and affiliation to white nationalists, so much so that the recent resurgence of antisemitism can be attributed to the same social movement.

But there is more to antisemitism than this similarity to other racist acts. There is a similarity in tropes and profiling present in attacks on African Americans, Sikhs, and others. There is confusion about whether Jews are a race (more common in Europe) or an ethnicity (more common in the US.) Finally, but not exhaustively, there is particular synchrony between Jewish hate and money, which touches us all.

You are looking at a financial upheaval as a sign of recent antisemitism, and I am looking at the actors themselves. We may both be correct, but you are undoubtedly wrong not to examine the people perpetrating antisemitism but instead focus on medieval rumors picked up by popular thinkers. These bad actors are white supremacists in the majority of cases.

Antisemitism is a minority belief that can sometimes drive government and popular movements. The resurgence of antisemitism is a reaction to the liberal pluralism that is the majority view, despite alt-right attempts to warp economic upheaval to their benefit. Given the current tumult, we would be wise to think hard on this.

I would not be too quick to take historical arguments as driving contemporary racism. I will try and be skeptical of modern punk rockers who do the same conflating antisemitism and racist killings. Once this show airs, I will do my best to question the learning and adjust my credence.

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Saturday, May 21, 2022 -- 9:52 PM

First a few issues with the

First a few issues with the paraphrase in the first paragraph. Nothing justifies anti-Semitism (cf. second sentence) and no such claim is made. My argument is that it's a tool of self-apology used to psychologically readjust one's self to voluntary participation in a system which is known to be duplicitous or destructive. It's one of the ways in which people can function within a kleptocracy without regarding themselves as thieves. Another drastically inaccurate interpretation is the notion that I'm arguing that the government encourages financial fraud. Ignoring something amounts to encouragement only where one doesn't pretend that it's not there. To the contrary, a deregulated derivatives-market was sold by investment banking as a way to make markets safer by increasing speculation-capability. In May of 1998, for example, the Chairperson of the Futures Trading Commission which oversees the derivatives market, Brooksley Borne, drew up a proposal for its regulation which Larry Summers (Secretary of the Treasury '99-'01) and Alan Greenspan (Chairman of the Federal Reserve) pressured Clinton (U.S. President at the time) to override. Unlike fraud-encouragement, the regulatory agency was overridden to preserve speculative capacity which, when bundled appropriately, would theoretically be to shareholder benefit and subsequent general economic stimulus. In December of 2000, the Commodities Futures Modernization Act was passed by Congress (H.R. 5660) which prohibited any future regulation by the Commission.

Another inaccuracy involves the connection you draw between the story about Jews having invented bills of exchange and the '08 housing bubble. Although to my mind a connection can be made, it's associative, not modular. Where financial success within the context of a state capitalist system is understood as a virtue, the fraudulent malfeasance of the banking sector in its institutional behaviors, by which the bubble was generated, had to be associated with a non-virtuous party, more than with the benefactors of its systemic functioning.

The most inaccurate interpretation however is that the recommendation of bank-nationalization is offered in the service of something consistent with the frequently used phrase "restoration of order" with respect to a given financial system. How neatly arranged or messy it is does not impinge upon the investor's right not to be robbed and the borrower's right not to be defrauded. One benefit of nationalization would be protection of these rights by making the books of accounting within the banking sector a matter of public record. As monitored by public accountants, the role of speculation in the system could be sufficiently regulated. Not relevant is whether this is accomplished by the current government or a future or previous one, (assuming the distinction between government and the state, with the state as institutional form and the government as consisting of whoever is staffing its offices at a time and considered as a group). Only its choices are relevant, as in this case the official choice for nationalization is the recommended one.

The comparison in the second paragraph between designs to overthrow the government and nationalize the banks is not accurate. One doesn't need to take over the state merely in order to deploy its power of the audit. And whatever similarity criminal actions which are based on anti-Semitic or other racist beliefs have with one another is not pertinent to their assessment as effects of shared historical causes, but rather to their otherwise accurate description as topical causes of other effects, as for example inspiring another to commit a similar crime.

It's not at all clear to me who you're talking about in the sixth paragraph, but it sounds a little like Plotinus. Still, you're critique of her or him brings up the distinction between our knowledge about the world and the way the world really is. Indeed, just because the former doesn't in some cases apprehend the latter, the former is not invalidated, but rather is determined as prescriptive phenomenological analysis instead of descriptive sufficiency of correspondence.

The seventh paragraph runs into the same problem as the second. The fact that the actions which constitute a crime wave share similar motivations is quite natural and supports my thesis on account of the fact that explanations which resemble each other are used by the agents of these actions, in the interpretation of the historical conditions which are the more fundamental causes of their behaviors.

The ninth paragraph begins with an incredulous paraphrase whose source I can not detect in review of the monograph. It states as attributed to me a claim that economic crisis is a "sign" of contemporary anti-Semitism. It's not a sign, but a cause. And you're also mistaken that I haven't included anti-Semitic perpetrators in my analysis. They are included as symptoms of a larger phenomenon of sociological degradation whose historical causes are rooted in an implacable disfunction of speculative economic structures. And as these structures are not products of nature but of individual choices, voluntary involvement in their functioning implies some responsibility for any aggregate adverse effects. Its the latent knowledge of this responsibility which sets off the search for a demon by those who in spite of the destructive character of their institutional commitments still want to think of themselves as ethical people. The demon functions to absorb the system's negative effects away from the responsibility of its participants. In terms of the relation of effects to their causes, the attacks against its symbols are the topical effects of its prior creation.

Also, I'd like to make it clear that I reject the use of the term "white nationalism" to refer to a North American phenomenon. The reason for this is that it suggests being paired with black nationalism, which is a mistake. While the latter refers to a movement of liberation, the former refers to one of supremacy.

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Saturday, May 21, 2022 -- 6:32 PM

Duly noted and understood.

Duly noted and understood. Looking forward to this show. I might offer critique after the show. For now ... good enough.

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Wednesday, May 25, 2022 -- 1:21 PM

Not by my lights. The use of

Not by my lights. The use of the term "White Nationalism" together with the concept or notion it refers to needs further clarification. In addition, it should be emphasized that while one can not overestimate the increase and severity of the growth of white supremacy in recent years, one can underestimate the relation to economic conditions which furnishes what some describe as its anti-Semitic ideological core as a means of organization. Anti-Semitic racial condemnation functions sufficiently as an explanatory factor in representations of crises of society whose underpinnings rarely fail to be preceded and/or produced by economic crises, or crises in material distribution of means of subsistence. When popular institutions are destroyed, whether confirmable or phantasmagoric (cf. the "war on Christmas" during the 1990's), the practice of demon-grasping in the context of social intercourse reaches a statistical pitch whereby its organizational capabilities are released. Unique in this case is the relation between use of the instrument and the context in which the crisis emerges to which its use is a response. The context is constituted by the historical slave-based economy integral to the functioning of the original colonies and forms the economic base of the Industrial Revolution in North America, which was in largest part based on cotton. The instrument on the other hand develops together with the appearance of speculative finance on the Continent, on account of a "rumor" (cf. Trivellato) that the Jews created one of its more arcane instruments. Anti-Black racism occurs in its early forms on the contrary as apologetics for the trans-Atlantic slave trade, and as such was serviceable to preserve the ethical self-image of its perpetrators.*

The name "White Nationalism" is an unfortunate one for the reason that it indicates a comparison with other nationalist movements for which the design is liberation from oppression (e.g. Black Nationalism, Lakota Nationalism, Puerto Rican Independence, and others). If used, it can enforce a claim of the genuineness of that comparison and thereby function as white-supremacist propaganda, to wit, that racially Caucasian people are oppressed. Furthermore, it doesn't distinguish between the current extremist movement aided by the last Presidency and the original white-protestant nationalism prevailing at the constitutional conventions at the nation's beginning, or for that matter any since. In that sense "White Nationalism" doesn't name a movement but rather a status quo.

In addition to the role played by anti-Semitism in the ideology of white supremacy, then, it also makes sense to mention a way in which the phenomenon of white supremacy can be misapplied in any interpretation which makes it a cause of the instrument employed to generate what some describe as its "theoretical core". For that would discount its own sources in European cultural and economic history. One could almost say that the role played by anti-Semitism in white supremacist ideology is similar to that played by white-supremacist ideology in economic-malfeasance-apology: as an explanatory one for organizational purposes-- for the one as white supremacist in context of nationalist aspiration which uses the instrument, and for the other in institutional financial consolidation in the hands of the wealthiest speculators, generating its current available form.
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* Although anti-Jewishness appears in the ancient Mediterranean, appearing e.g. in Cicero (cf. pro Flacco) and Tacitus, it lacks association with finance; and the slave-economy depended on a regional criterion for inclusion in its labor-force, not a racial one.

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Thursday, May 26, 2022 -- 7:39 AM

Have you read the Buffalo

Have you read the Buffalo shooter's manifesto?

If you want a definition of "White Nationalism," shine your light there.

White nationalism and black nationalism (or Lakota or Puerto-Rican or Hispanic...) have as much to do with each other as salt and pepper. One does not indicate or call for the other even as they are served at the same table. To represent this as you do here is false and misleading.

Ethnic pride is not equivalent to ethnic hate. Marcus Garvey found common cause with white nationalists but was pilloried all the same.

The new wave of antisemitism is both new and old (I agree there are lessons from history here.) Financial turmoil does precede social upheaval. If there is an economic role here, it is in the polarization of wealth, not in its failure. We have never been more affluent. I hope to see this vetted in this show but fear it won't be, which is another reason I would wait here to comment further.

I had not read the manifesto of Payton Gendron until last night, but I didn't have to to know that it echoed that of Brenton Tarrant, who live-streamed his attack on the mosque in Christchurch. If you want an example of antisemitism, shine your light there.

I will not comment again until after this show has been posted. Recent events have put a focus on the underlying. I want to amend my thought to the discussion there, as I do not have answers, the discussion could go many different ways, and the need is great.

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Thursday, May 26, 2022 -- 3:13 PM

One of the reasons you don't

One of the reasons you don't have answers is you haven't asked any questions, except for a couple of inquiries as to what I've read recently. Although some writings of ballistic perpetrators may be of some historical importance with regards to understanding how the motives for their actions stem from prevailing avoidable conditions, looking there for a definition of a movement to which they are purported to belong is too partial on the part of its writer to be an accurate one for the whole thing. In this case I suspect that the definition to be found there would coincide with the one which I suggested as de facto white-supremacist propaganda. The abstract noun "nationalism" can have various predications. When one is able to distinguish between two things called by the same name, it implies that one is thinking about them. You haven't done that here. Instead, you've assumed that since two different predicates modify the same substantive, they must modify the same thing. But there's a difference between the thing itself and the name that belongs to it. While your interest in the subject is obviously sincere, and expresses capability of correctly judging the boundaries of its domain, for the sake of completeness nevertheless it behooves me to be granted permission to clarify my objection to the use of the term "White Nationalism", without having to seek a definition for it through the benevolence of those to whom it is professed to belong, (cf. your second sentence above). The object of my concern is not a missing definition, but rather the natural comparison which the term makes to movements of liberation. When the reference puts it together with other movements as just another minority-predicated nationalist liberation movement, it functions in speech as white-supremacist propaganda. Stating that two things with the same name could be mistaken on that account for the same thing, is not the same as saying that they are the same thing. Apologies for the abstruseness of this difficult distinction.

Another problem with the term is how to distinguish it from the status quo white nationalism which has prevailed in the country since the nation's inception. If it's supposed to refer to a movement of white revolution, they're over two centuries late.

Because your third paragraph from the end, without mentioning the important distinction between anti-Semitism as an instrument of apology and the conditions which make its deployment available to organized groups, is roughly compatible with my analysis, I'll resist further comment; except to take note of the fact that although you've expressed confidence in the expertise of supremacist perpetrators of criminal actions to be of high explanatory value with regards to the movement in whose name they act, it's interesting that you haven't yourself provided an account of what you've learned from them.

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Saturday, May 28, 2022 -- 7:02 AM

Question: Why do I not openly

Question: Why do I not openly discuss the manifesto of Payton Gendron?

No answer is required, nor should any need be given. It is not easy to find, hard to read, and dangerous.

Thanks for this back and forth Daniel. I will rejoin once I know exactly what it is we are talking about here.

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Saturday, May 28, 2022 -- 2:04 PM

Anti-Semitism's the subject,

Anti-Semitism's the subject, with emphasis on its current manifestations. Because you've made several knowledge-claims above, one for example of a connection in the writings of two recent criminal assailants with regards to the subject, another about the economic role that would be played in its current rise if granted that it has one, and still another about where to find a sufficient definition of a term used by supremacist movements, the claim that you don't know what you're talking about is not credible. You've drawn a clear line from criminal motives backwards to ideological inspiration. The question about discussion of what you're calling a "manifesto" is not mine. My interest rather is in the nature of this line. To solicit an explication of this nature is therefore not asking for anything further than you've already implied you have. So perhaps it would be advantageous to frame the question as a dichotomy: Is the connection one of an innate tendency to seek variant pretexts for criminal behaviors, so that anti-Semitism serves just as well as any other, or is it one of pre-conditioning by invariant conditions amongst which anti-Semitism constitutes a non-interchangeable component? As a variant of the nature/nurture dichotomy, it may facilitate a more detailed explanation of the grounds of knowledge-claims which haven't yet been fully articulated.

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Sunday, May 29, 2022 -- 9:49 AM

These are copycat crimes

These are copycat crimes which is why I don't speak to detail here. There are no links to these manifestos except on blogger sites and the dark web.

Let me see where the show goes. You've asked some good questions here... let me think about it and consider the input from the show before getting back.

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Sunday, May 29, 2022 -- 4:05 PM

But this is a new and broad

But this is a new and broad claim. Are you saying that it's self evident and needs no further explanation? Let's say for example that someone is observed stealing a loaf of bread from a bakery by another customer. Nothing more is thought of it until the customer who observed it becomes hungry and, remembering it, decides to do the same thing so he/she won't have to pay for it. While that constitutes learned behavior by imitation, it doesn't fit into the commonly used frame of reference called "copycat". This rather refers to a sought notoriety on the part of the perpetrator to be of a level which equates to a former perpetrator's. Unlike the thief at the bakery, the "copycat" wants to be recognized for his/her crimes. In the two examples you provide above, anti-Semitism is presumably a component of the recognition which is desired, and therefore plays a role in the motive for the crimes. But that appears to be saying that the criminal is not motivated by hatred of the victim, but love for his peers. While lacking strong intuitive sense, such an analysis would nevertheless show that anti-Semitism as a component in criminal motivation in "copycat" contexts could only be inadequately understood as done by individuals in isolation, or as "lone wolves", if you will, but are instead grounded in an orientation towards the victim which the individual shares with a respective group of peers. Why is this orientation there in the first place, if it weren't produced by an increase in adverse socio-economic conditions whose causes are unexplained while traditional instruments of collective blame which are perennially lying around are resuscitated in the service of filling the explanatory lacuna? Certainly you would not want to deny your readers a sound refutation of the claim that even here, in the two examples of criminal actions which you cite, an economic cause can be found which is prior to and more fundamental than its opportune racist motivational component.

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Monday, June 20, 2022 -- 7:49 AM

I listened to the show. I

I listened to the show. I genuinely don't know what is best.

There is little to explain the racial and nationalist overtones of modern antisemitism.

Quoting accounts of these perpetrators won't change my views of the origins of contemporary antisemitic crimes. Loneliness, inequality, and isolation seem to resonate more than economic particulars, but economics – especially concerning inequality- are partly at fault.

It's good to hear the subject discussed, and I'm not moved to any better understanding. I'm not going to post the hate and dissect it here, but it is work that needs to be done by social scientists and not historians. Hate crimes are being studied; I would defer to those works before looking back to Jesus to wrestle with the money changers, which is what the inquisitors of the middle ages did.

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Monday, December 18, 2023 -- 6:26 PM

Posted October 26 at its

Posted October 26 at its website, a Globe and Mail columnist wrote how during a recent concert at Vancouver’s Hollywood Theatre, “a band member said something about a free Palestine. This, according to attendee Hanah Van Borek, led to a few shouts from the audience: ‘F--- the Jews!’

"It was clearly audible in her area of the crowd, a person who was with her confirms, but nobody around them shut this down. There were some cheers of support, though. ‘My whole body went into shock,’ says Ms. Van Borek, who is Jewish.

“Ms. Van Borek left the venue and explained why to security staff. She says a worker encouraged her to go back inside and reassured her she was safe. ‘Nobody will be able to tell that you’re Jewish,’ he said, according to Ms. Van Borek. (Oy.)

"She did return to the show, but Ms. Van Borek was — and is — rattled. She supports the band’s right to make political statements. It was the shouts from this group — and the silence around them — that were alarming.”

I have long been, and still am, a critic of what I see as clear maltreatment of the general Palestinian people by the state of Israel [i.e. its government and security/defense agencies] and, with few exceptions, Western mainstream news-media’s seemingly intentional tokenistic (non)coverage of it.

By doing so, that media, whether they realize it or not, have done a disservice to its own reputation and the Israeli/Jewish people themselves. The road to hell, after all, is also paved with good intentions. Not as widely criticized thus publicized as the violence are the considerable fossil fuel reserves beneath long-held Palestinian land that are a plausible motivator for war.

Perhaps also because I have no Jewish heritage thus experience, I still never expected the level of anti-Semitic attacks in the West, notably the U.S. and Canada, since the initial Hamas attack against Israelis. For one thing, the Jewish people in Israel and especially around the world must not be collectively vilified, let alone physically attacked, for the acts of Israel’s government and military, however one feels about the latter’s brutality in Gaza.

It’s blatantly immoral for them to be mistreated, if not terrorized, as though they were responsible for what is happening there. And it should be needless to say that diaspora Palestinians and Western Muslims similarly must not be collectively blamed and attacked for the acts of Hamas violence in Israel or Islamic extremist attacks outside the Middle East. ...

There seems to have been much latent animosity towards Jewish people in general, perhaps in part based on erroneous and disproven stereotype thus completely unmerited. Also, incredible insensitivity was publicly shown towards Jews freshly mourning the 10/7 victims, especially when considering that young Israelis and Jews elsewhere may not be accustomed to such relatively large-scale carnage (at least not as much as is seen in other parts of the Middle East) in post-9/11 times.

Having the top-mentioned (in The Globe and Mail) ugly occurrence playout in my mind’s eye and ear left me disgusted. Particularly disturbing was the Jewish audience member being told she shouldn’t worry about the loudly voiced anti-Jewish anger, since “nobody will be able to tell that you’re Jewish”.

Also concerning is: what would young Jewish, or Palestinian, children think and feel if/when they hear such misdirected vile hatred towards their fundamental identity? Scary is the real possibility that such public outpour of blind hatred may lead some young children to feel very misplaced shame in their heritage.

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