The Philosophy of Smell

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Sunday, March 26, 2023

What Is It

When philosophers think about human perception, they tend to focus on vision and turn their noses up at olfaction, the sense of smell. So what insights can we gain about perception, thought, and language by focusing on olfaction? How culturally variable is the ability to distinguish one scent from another? Do we need to learn certain concepts before we can detect certain odors, or can our noses pick up things we can’t yet name? And why do we have so many words to describe what we see, yet so few to describe what we smell? Josh and Ray sniff out the details with experimental psychologist and olfaction expert Asifa Majid from the University of Oxford, in an episode generously sponsored by the Stanford Symbolic Systems Program.

Transcript

Transcript

Josh Landy  
What's unique about our sense of smell?

Ray Briggs  
Can it tell us things our other senses are silent about?

Josh Landy  
How can we get better at navigating the world of scent?

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Tim Smith

Saturday, February 25, 2023 -- 8:52 PM

When we think about human

When we think about human perception, we focus on vision and overlook the sense of smell. However, studying olfaction can provide essential insights into how our sensibility and experiences shape our perception of the world, not the least of which would be to change our most common and unquestioned metaphor of human understanding - to see is to know (or more commonly tuned phrases like - pics or it didn't happen.)

A mind-boggling insight (in the best sense of boggle) is that the input received by our senses does not solely determine our sensory experience. Olfaction is a fine example of this as it is shaped by subconscious bayesian inference, independent of language, yet still shaped by culture. Different cultures may have different vocabularies for describing smells or may place different values on certain smells, and the experience can be very different for two individuals based on their backgrounds.

While our priors and cultural background heavily influence our detection and categorization of odors, smell is not entirely dependent on them either. Most curious is that our noses can detect a wide range of aromas, even if we don't have a word for them yet. The ability to snoop novel phenomena suggests that a fundamental sensory capacity that underlies our ability to detect smells, even our ability to name and categorize them, is more than just culturally and linguistically mediated. Olfaction gives cause to rethink our model for all human sense and perception.

So why do we have so many words to describe what we see, yet so few to relate to what we smell? I don't know, and it's complex and composed of several factors, one of which is the historical and biological prioritization of human vision over our other senses. While sight is largely uniform, on a day to day level, scent is highly variable, environmentally dependent, and complex, making it challenging to categorize and describe. When the experience is different for individuals language will have limitations when it comes to describing the differences, and is more likely to fall back to the commonality - a wine might be fruity instead of a more exacting category.

By studying olfaction and exploring these questions, we can better understand the nature of human perception and the relationship between sensory experience, thought, and language. We can also gain insight into how our cultural background and experiences shape our perception of the world. Fundamentally, and I hope to make this show – and make this claim, smell asks us to change the metaphor of understanding from "seeing" objects, metaphorical or physical, to "snooping" or "discerning" our philosophical perspectives. Instead of calling something out, we can suggest and include the possibilities of other views that just might be experiencing something new and valuable to our interests.

I read a work by A.S. Barwich - 'Smellosophy What the nose tells the mind', that correlates well with this show. I don't have the book now, but I recall thinking about olfaction as a philosophical challenge at the time, and drawing parallels with sight, specifically color perception. I'm looking forward to the show, to bring these ideas back to the surface.

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Daniel

Sunday, February 26, 2023 -- 2:02 PM

So you'd rather say something

So you'd rather say something stinks than call it "ugly"? If the claim is made that identical olfactory input generates diverse perception-output across variations in cultural form (second paragraph above), then how is the input-invariance determined? Would it not be subject to the same variations in perception caused by topical conditions imposed by customs and environment? How does determination of cross-cultural sensory input escape the perception-variation which it is supposed to produce? Is it because one can't smell the individual molecules which belong to each individual olfactory stimulus, but rather only as group, that invariance of sensory-input can be designated independent of cultural conditions? If that's the case, then the same problem is reproduced by how and under what context-dependent conditions the material quantification is made. In short, if someone wants to claim not only that one can come up with different ways to name the same smells, (to wit, either by similarity, e.g."smells like rotten eggs", and by what kind, e.g. "fetid"), but also that the smells themselves are different, (i.e. if there might be some cultures under which rotten eggs are not fetid), then an internal contradiction is expressed with vicious circularity, because of the co-dependency between sensation-reports and presupposition of their receptive intelligibility. Is this criticism compatible with your analysis? How might it be related to your distinction in the fourth paragraph between a purported uniformity of visual phenomena as compared with smell-diversity?

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Tim Smith

Sunday, February 26, 2023 -- 11:12 PM

Daniel,

Daniel,

Before you dicker here, listen to what Asifa says on this. I've put forth some ideas, but you are not responding to the vital point that smell gives us a model to rethink our sensibilities.

But one round of Q&A before the show is fair game – I don't think you will get much for your time here, so be it.

Barwich's book was a joy, on the other hand, and well worth your time. I encourage you to go there if you have further questions, as I am trying to recall its main points and am failing, other than to say it shook a few neurons that continue to shake.

Here you go...

"If the claim is made that identical olfactory input generates diverse perception-output across variations in cultural form (second paragraph above), then how is the input-invariance determined?"
==>While olfactory input is mainly invariant, prior experiences shape perception, as does cultural background and even language; in other words, while the physical information may be the same, our interpretation of it is shaped by various factors.

"Would it not be subject to the same variations in perception caused by topical conditions imposed by customs and environment?"
==>Our perception of olfactory input is also subject to variations caused by customs and the environment.

"How does determination of cross-cultural sensory input escape the perception-variation which it is supposed to produce?"
==>While there are variations in olfactory perception across cultures, there is still a commonality to the sensory input that transcends these variations. In other words, even though our interpretation of the input may vary, it is largely invariant.

"Is it because one can't smell the individual molecules which belong to each individual olfactory stimulus, but rather only as group, that invariance of sensory-input can be designated independent of cultural conditions?"
==>Hmm… I mostly agree that the invariance of olfactory sensory input can be attributed to perceiving smells as a group rather than as individual molecules.

"If that's the case, then the same problem is reproduced by how and under what context-dependent conditions the material quantification is made."
==>Quantifying olfactory stimuli is challenging, but this does not necessarily undermine the idea that the sensory input is largely invariant.

"In short, if someone wants to claim not only that one can come up with different ways to name the same smells, but also that the smells themselves are different, then an internal contradiction is expressed with vicious circularity, because of the co-dependency between sensation-reports and presupposition of their receptive intelligibility. Is this criticism compatible with your analysis?"
==>I acknowledge variations in olfactory perception across cultures and disagree that the same smell can be perceived as utterly different across cultures. In other words, there is still a degree of universality to an olfactory perception that transcends cultural differences.

"How might it be related to your distinction in the fourth paragraph between a purported uniformity of visual phenomena as compared with smell-diversity?"
==>The distinction between uniformity in visual phenomena and diversity in olfactory sensations is due to the fact that vision relies on a small set of primary colors that are relatively uniform across cultures. In contrast, olfaction relies on a much larger group of odors that are more variable across cultures. Finally, visual perception is more dependent on conscious processes than olfactory perception, which is primarily unconscious and shaped by our prior experiences. There are no absolutes in this juxtaposition of vision and smell, only insights.

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Daniel

Monday, February 27, 2023 -- 2:21 PM

Agreed. Insights are soluble

Agreed. Insights are soluble. Take the final paragraph of your post above. In it a fundamental distinction is made between vision and smell, in turn distinguished from secondary distinctions such as shape and area. This I read as a difference in quantity, where visionary phenomena are described by emergent properties which result from various combinations of optical stimulation of red, blue, and yellow (the "primary colors") and generate the infinitely diverse hues. Olfactory phenomena by contrast emerge from a larger set of primary elements, implying that visual phenomena, (or the responses thereto), are cross-culturally uniform, whereas olfactory phenomena are inter-culturally diverse. Is that about right? Because primary odors outnumber primary colors, they change from culture to culture. Unpacking the claim, this means that the same molecular group will affect a nose differently according to who sniffs it, as determined by culture, history, and environment. My problem with this argument is the one which you make reference to in the ninth paragraph above. Because the odor refers to the chemical stimulus, and the smell refers to a sensation which can be reported, reports on smell reports matched to chemical stimuli should be subject to the same variation between circumstances that the original smeller is, as are further reports on reports of smell reports in an infinite regress with the result that there can be no distinction between different smells which are caused by chemically identical stimuli without destroying the ability to observe the phenomenon of smell at all. The argument works like this:
1) As smell is a response to an oder, it can't exist without one.
2) A single oder can produce different smells.
3) A group of a single odor's smells is observable by a smeller.
4) A group of smellers observing a single-oder smell-set is observable by a further smeller, and so on ad infinitum.
5) Therefore, only smellers exist and smells do not.
6) Smells do however exist, and therefore premise (2) must be false, and any smell-variation must causally correspond to a variation in odor.

On smell's furnishing a basis for a reorganization of the form of sensibility which you reference in the first paragraph above, do you speak of a canine model?

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Tim Smith

Tuesday, February 28, 2023 -- 7:49 AM

Daniel,

Daniel,

Color is odd, as is most everything when you examine it up close.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dress

I'm reading you here and want to wait to respond until the show happens. There's exciting science here for both vision and smell, including the experimental philosophy, and I will return to this.

Thanks for responding.

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Daniel

Wednesday, March 1, 2023 -- 5:41 PM

It's not clear why you're

It's not clear why you're thanking me for responding, as no special effort has been made on your behalf. And your private itinerary is irrelevant to the topic. It's the first sentence that's doing all the work, namely by relating back to the contents of your original post of 2/25/23 referenced in the 2/26 one, in which a restructuring of the form of sensibility is suggested. The "oddness", or non-ordinariness, is found throughout but is given programmatic expression in the fifth paragraph: Because analysis of olfactory phenomena can inform categories of understanding and their relations to one another, such as sensation to perception, both to concepts and language, and language to culture, the suggestion is made that the customary tendency to characterize the products of understanding by an analogy with sight could be the result of an error, namely, that one understands ("sees") objects, which must therefore be clearly distinguished from the interests of subjects. And because these latter can be designated as what is more properly understood than are objects whose abstract concepts must be expressed interest-independently, smell is a better analogy for the structural relationship between the senses than is sight. One conceivable result would be that the boundaries of objects which are seen can not be unequivocally observed without first presupposing a motive ground for this recognition and a particular situation out of which the latent intentional component in object-perception arises. Before one sees an object, even an unanticipated one, one has to smell it first, as primarily related to an area of interests, and secondarily to objects expressed within boundaries of their form.

If that's the case, where does that leave the distinction between prudential and distributive reasoning? Does an olfactory model of understanding risk preclusion of objective principles of inter-sniffer coexistence? While a practical model of what's understood makes sense from an ontological point of view, since any theoretical one must have a theorist who produces it, and is therefore better expressed as applying to smelling subjects which perceive rather than to objects being seen which do not, the possibility remains that some object could be seen but won't be. Could your olfactory restructuring of products of understanding risk the oversight of a collective object worth seeing?

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Tim Smith

Wednesday, March 22, 2023 -- 3:14 PM

Hey Daniel,

Hey Daniel,

I just listened to the show, and it sounds like your questions weren't discussed – which is par for the course for a live performance. Larry, who did attend, asked some similar questions, though. Let me address yours specifically if not as well as the guest or Larry might.

"Where does that leave the distinction between prudential and distributive reasoning?"

Let me check my understanding of the philosophical jargon. Prudential reasoning refers to decision-making based on self-interest, while distributive reasoning involves decisions about the fair allocation of resources or benefits. If that is accurate, then our understanding of such distinctions could be influenced by how we perceive the world, including olfactory perception. An interdisciplinary approach combining neuroscience, psychology, and philosophy insights could provide a more comprehensive understanding of these concepts and their implications. Not too much help, I know, but I don’t know exactly what you concern is here.

"Does an olfactory model of understanding risk preclusion of objective principles of inter-sniffer coexistence?"

An olfactory model of understanding refers to the idea that our sense of smell influences how we perceive and interpret the world around us. If that is right, then such a model doesn't necessarily preclude "objective principles of inter-sniffer coexistence" or normative standards we all can share regarding olfaction. Instead, understanding the role of olfaction in our cognitive processes can help us appreciate the diversity of perspectives and experiences among individuals. A trillion different smells (as reported in the show) dwarf the discernible color spectrum. This could contribute to developing more inclusive and practical principles that accommodate the unique sensory experiences of different people. Olfaction may be our single most normative sense.

"Could your olfactory restructuring of products of understanding risk the oversight of a collective object worth seeing?"

Focusing on olfactory perception doesn't necessarily risk overlooking other important aspects of our cognitive experience. Exploring the role of olfaction in our understanding can provide valuable insights into how we process and interpret information, potentially leading to a more comprehensive understanding of the world. Emphasizing the role of olfaction in human cognition also reminds us of the need to consider the diverse sensory experiences that contribute to collective knowledge and understanding formation.

I'm still trying to process this show and reviewing other readings on olfaction. The entire science is a product of work done in our lifetimes (at least mine,) so there are many perspectives and narratives from our childhood stories, and in fiction that lead our intuitions and credence astray. When (If) I pull together something worth writing, I will post back those impressions, but I learned quite a bit from this, and I am sorry I couldn't attend in person.

Best,

Tim

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Alla Gubenko

Wednesday, March 8, 2023 -- 9:04 PM

Thanks for a great talk!

Thanks for a great talk!
Three questions that I’m curious about:
1. Do games like ‘Follow your nose’ help to develop children’s olfactory literacy?
2. Is there any kind of ‘compensation’ that develops in other sensory channels in case of temporary loss of the sense smell (like in COVID)?
3. Can human smell recognition ability be automated the same way as visual recognition?

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kimjenner

Friday, July 19, 2024 -- 3:11 AM

Cultural Variability:

Cultural Variability: Research has shown that the ability to distinguish scents can vary significantly across cultures. This suggests that olfactory perception is not only biological but also influenced by cultural practices, language, and environmental factors.

Conceptual Frameworks: Olfaction challenges the idea that certain concepts must be learned before we can detect or appreciate them. Studies indicate that people can recognize and respond to certain odors without having specific words or concepts to describe them, suggesting a more innate or primal level of perception.

Language and Description: The disparity between the richness of vocabulary for visual experiences compared to olfactory experiences raises questions about how language shapes perception. This difference suggests that our sensory experiences are influenced by the linguistic categories available to us, prompting discussions about the relationship between language and thought.

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Thursday, September 12, 2024 -- 6:22 PM

Philosophers typically

Philosophers typically prioritize vision in discussions of perception, which may lead to a lack of understanding of how olfaction influences our experiences and cognition. By studying the sense of smell, we can gain deeper insights into how we perceive the world, form thoughts, and develop language. Olfactory experiences can shape memories and emotions in ways that visual experiences may not. The ability to distinguish scents varies across cultures. Some cultures may have a rich vocabulary for smells, while others may not prioritize olfactory experiences. There is a debate about whether we need to learn specific concepts to detect odors. Some argue that our sensory systems can identify scents before we have the language to describe them. The discussion features insights from Asifa Majid, an expert in olfaction, highlighting current research and perspectives on these topics.

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Saturday, February 1, 2025 -- 12:23 PM

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insistentkayak

Thursday, March 20, 2025 -- 7:09 PM

I’d love to hear Asifa Majid

I’d love to hear Asifa Majid’s insights on how language and culture shape our ability to recognize and describe scents. The idea that we might smell things we can’t name yet is especially intriguing—does language limit perception, or do we just lack the right vocabulary?

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AmandaGrande

Wednesday, April 2, 2025 -- 10:00 PM

This exploration of olfaction

This exploration of olfaction is fascinating! It makes me wonder if our scent perception is as meticulously cataloged as a Pokerogue Dex, where every creature and ability is documented. Perhaps a similar systematic approach could unlock the hidden language of smells. It's like playing Pokerogue ; you initially only recognize a few moves, but with experience, you develop a deep understanding of the game's nuances.

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Friday, April 11, 2025 -- 12:30 AM

While I do truly appreciate

While I do truly appreciate the leaning toward humor, which we need more of these days!, I also feel quite strongly that a show on the human philosophical implications of smell should have taken more seriously and given far more attention to a couple of things that were only just barely mentioned, and otherwise glossed over:

1) Contrary to the opening debate, smell is perhaps one of if not the most critical sources of input to our decision making for survival. As Asifa noted, smell is our first warning of a gas leak that could kill us. It is also, as another guest noted, a means of detecting if someone is ill, and thus might make us ill too if we share their water glass or just the air they are exhaling. Smell is also how we determine if meat is rotten, which could also make us very ill and may in some cases kill us. Thus, sense of smell is an incredibly important tool of survival, and therefore contributor to our evolutionary success.

2) Our modern world, particularly in just the last few years, has become flooded with synthetic fragrances, most of which include a very similar soup of highly persistent chemical compounds and many of which include one or more neurotoxins. In the case of Fabreze “air freshener”, the inclusion of a known neurotoxin is actually very intentional (considered by Proctor & Gamble to be an innovation in helping us to avoid smelling nasty things, like the trash we forget to empty. They also say on their website that you should not use the product if you have pet birds [they will die]). As one of the guests early in this episode noted, the neurotoxins from synthetic fragrance can now be found nearly everywhere on our planet—-even detectable at the top of Mount Everest. But, one need only go to a typical grocery store, open a package from Amazon fulfillment, our go out to hear a band playing at a local music venue to be bathed in far more significant quantities of synthetic fragrance. Most of it comes from cleaning, laundry, and “air freshener” products. This is not only readily measurable, but currently rated as THE number one source of indoor air pollution. And, much of that is off-gassing from the laundered clothes that people are wearing.

Unfortunately, because these chemical compounds are now so ubiquitous and our olfactory system is evolved to protect us from eminent threats, we acclimate within hours or less—-unconsciously learning to ignore the soup of chemicals we are swimming in. It is for this reason that most people today are nearly or completely unaware of these things, perhaps noticing them only when they step into the isle of cleaning products at a retail store. And, many people are thus happy to buy and use heavily perfumed products containing a long list of untested and unregulated chemicals that will, without their being aware of it, end up polluting the air in their home, entering their lungs, and coating their skin (the latter being mainly but not solely the result of fragranced laundry and personal care products, particularly fabric softeners added to a clothes dryer).

The major philosophical question this presents is how and why we accept our world being pumped full of unregulated toxic chemicals, including many known neurotoxins, simply because our sense of smell, which is meant to protect us from threats, has become accustomed to it? Have we forgotten that the point of bringing a canary into a coal mine was that the demise of the canary (as with pet birds subjected to household “air freshener”) means we had better get out ASAP before we succumb to the toxicity that took the bird down? There is plenty of science documenting the problematic chemicals included in the majority of widely distributed synthetic fragrances. So, why, just because we have become accustomed to this stuff, and thus much less aware of it, do we allow it to be included in large numbers of consumer products? Have we become slightly insane at a societal level in that we are happy to keep doing something, even though we know it’s bad for us? Do we not want to admit we’ve been duped by the large corporations that synthesize, peddle, and promote fragrance for consumer products?

As an intelligent listener, I couldn’t help but be struck by how successfully this episode managed to mostly avoid these very significant present day philosophical questions related to our sense of smell. Is this too difficult a topic for intelligent people to talk about on the radio?

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Friday, April 11, 2025 -- 4:48 PM

It is not within my purview

It is not within my purview of domestic pedestrian indication perception that it should be. By your own account, frustration of the goals of your intelligent listening has occurred by reason of inadequate consideration of two topics, the survival-function of olfactory organs in organic systems and toxicity of artificial olfactory stimulants, by the sources which produced the listened-to contents. If for purposes of paraphrastic emphasis a metaphor be permitted, --you arrived at the smell-theory buffet and left hungry. Is that correct? Perhaps then we should add one more: the market based effort to eliminate olfactory stimulation from sources in human physiological contexts. For while the topic of smell-identity tied to individuals was discussed, the supply-side effort to eliminate smell-production was not. To analyze this yawning chasm of neglect for the class of intelligent listeners to whom you belong, a distinction should be made between odor production and stench emanation, or between smells and stinks. On the supply side the pullulation from stinks is pushed into attraction or indifference to smells by means of psychological manipulation of the consumer in a broad advocacy for scentlessness which, being only incompletely realizable, insures continual product demand insofar as the manipulation is successful.

So in addition to your first observations of the unfulfilled need to discuss survival by natural smelling and death or illness by artificial odor manufacture, might one deign to describe this third missing part as the topic of counterproductive smell-reduction by generating in the mind of potential product purchasers a mortal fear of stench?

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Sunday, April 13, 2025 -- 3:54 PM

After having been initially

After having been initially impressed with TCM's post of 4/11/25 above by its expression of grievance as though at the complaint department in the virtual philosophical boutique, my view upon further consideration has surprisingly deepened by an inescapable interpretation in confirmation of what Hegel was pleased to call the "cunning of Reason", which refers to a latent instrumentality of individual goals in the service of patent collective ones resulting in a rational historical teleology in progressive material realization.

The two neglected themes can be summarized as first, that the olfactory faculty constitutes a naturally occurring means of self-preservation in humans and most other mammals, and second, that generating artificial stimulants to this faculty releases toxic pollutants which can poison and kill their users. Putting both together, one can assert that the faculty of smell which assists in survival of the organism will kill or sicken it if produced artificially. Because therefore smell can kill if faked, it carries the seeds of its own destruction by the same properties which made serviceable its creation, namely the preference for pleasant smells over unpleasant, when the appearance overrides in importance what's doing the appearing (or the "thing in itself"). In the case of artificial production of pleasant smells which otherwise occur in nature, the original oder-emitter is gone and is replaced by a toxic generator of its imitation. Smells become idols amidst the departing flight of their sources, erected in order to farcically announce their continued presence.

And the same holds for the closely related sense of taste. Artificial flavors can poison what their non-artificial counterparts nutrify. But upon the negation of reality by its false appearance, the reality is reasserted in the opposition to concealment of its existence by the imitation of phenomena which control the reference extension of a preference, as the unity of the thing with the phenomena which reveal it. The negation of its negation equals its revelation, and the thing itself escapes the dismantling of the structure of its topical reception and preservation because determination of the falseness of its grounds is based on the (re-)discovery of its initial or original truth. In the smell case, survival of the organism can be reasserted after being repressed by artificial fragrance-manufacture emphasizing a narrow range of appearance-preference. The faculty of Reason, or Knowledge-possibility from concepts alone without the aid of experience, which is attributed to humans, (at least in traditional rational psychology), creates in a way a situation where this particular species becomes an instrument of the thing and human beings a mere site at which the truth of things evolves through its appearances. Annotation by post-provider TCM of smell-serviceability for survival and its contradiction by the elimination of what is originally smelled can therefore be understood as an example of Reason's "cunning" by reason of the subject which bears the rationality-predicate becoming an instrument of the truth of the thing, to wit, in this case, the sense of smell in humans. In this relation and in terms of historical progress Hegel said somewhere (the citation currently escapes me but perhaps someone could assist) that in history only people get hurt, while Reason comes out just fine. The panorama of ruins which constitute the horizon of its study must therefore include the current exposure of artificial fragrances and flavors as destructive to human health in revelation of the nutritional worth of the their sources upon which they are modeled.

Is this story compatible with the design of the referenced post above, the boldness of which could not fail to garner the semiological bloom of interest in an object upon which one ardently attends?

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