When people think of the value of a college education, they tend to think of it in monetary terms. But Ken doesn’t think that measuring the economic value of a college education is the best way to go. College is about so much more than the size of your future paycheck. For example, the major you choose may actually end up having little bearing on what you actually end up doing, so you should just pick your passion and follow it. Even if parents are concerned about employability – some with reason – there comes a time when you have to listen to your own intuition and voice. And if you choose to go with Philosophy, you’ll actually be among the majors with higher employment rates! Who would’ve guessed? John and Ken further discuss how the liberal arts prepare you for life and the utter pointlessness of college ratings.
John and Ken welcome guest John Hennessy, former Stanford University President. John asks this special guest why he decided to drop a successful career in Silicon Valley – John Hennessy is, after all, not called the Godfather of Silicon Valley for nothing – and return to academia. John explains that he came back because he really loved working with students and teaching in the classroom. John follows up: there’s a lot of pressure for students to go to college, although only about a third of Americans hold a 4-year college degree. So should everyone go to college? Some sort of education beyond high school, John Hennessy believes, is crucial in terms of creating opportunity and live a really fulfilling life. That’s not to say everyone should go to an elite institution – for some students, community college is just right; for others, it’s a four-year program. The most important thing isn’t starting college but completing it. Ken asks about the college rating system and hyper-focus on competitive admissions, to which John replies that an undergraduate degree is a foundation, it’s the beginning. It’s the start, rather than the end, of your education.
So the student gets into their dream college. Then comes the truly hard part: the freedom that a college education offers. The amount of choice, the variety, the different fields of study. And, as Ken says, freedom can be hard to navigate! He asks John to give students advice on how to embark on this journey. John says that it’s all about following your passion, and there’s two reasons for that: you should enjoy what you’re learning about, and whatever you study is likely to lead to some kind of career direction. The last thing you want to do is spend your life working on something that doesn’t interest you. So dabble – try different courses, stretch your wings. In the U.S., you have room to experiment. That said, a college education is a big investment of time and money, so you can’t completely put aside your career concerns. You have to strike for a balance between the two.
The three welcome questions from the audience, and they continue the discussion by tackling questions such as: is college a place reserved for people who have already found their passion? Or can people with undecided majors go and explore? What do colleges generally look for in students? Does the area you come from affect how your application is viewed? What role do gender and race play in college admissions?
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Harold G. Neuman
Tuesday, May 28, 2019 -- 12:39 PMIf one truly knows what he
If one truly knows what he/she wishes to do in life, then an area in which one majors, be that law; medicine; engineering; physics or what-have-you, is crucial. Courses of study leading to a bachelor's degree are a foundation, but not necessarily any more than that, and before amassing thousands of dollars in student debt, it behooves any young scholar to have some concrete plan-of-action. I did not have a successful life, in today's terms. In retirement, I live by my wits as much as I did in the late 1960s and 1970s. My plan-of-action got derailed by a war in which I refused to participate. I was never able (nor truly willing) to get the train back on track. Getting an education needs to be pursued with the same determination and single-mindedness as running a business. I guess career counselors are supposed to have some skills in this regard. But, I would not know this as fact. Never had a career counselor. Training my mind to think has been my life-long vocation. Getting there. Finally.
Harold G. Neuman
Saturday, June 15, 2019 -- 11:32 AM...The cynical pragmatist
...The cynical pragmatist might say: A college education is worth it, and only worth it, when it has been paid off. But, if one is already forty-five or fifty years old by such time, we can little berate him for any regrets which have surfaced.
Tuesday, August 13, 2019 -- 12:32 PMI can't imagine myself
I can't imagine myself without a college education, or the graduate degrees in English Literature that I subsequently received. A great professor of mine would tell his Humanities survey classes (required of Columbia freshmen at the time - in the 'sixties, and for many decades before) that they were in college to MAKE a self, rather than John Perry's more familiar bromide that they are FINDING a self. I think probably both are true, but they point in opposite directions - looking deep within, versus looking widely outside oneself. It could be useful to debate the truth of these apparently conflicting ideas, but they do agree that one is in college to develop a "self," as opposed to preparing for some job or career, which if the student can afford it, could be more usefully postponed to a graduate or professional school - or otherwise through on-the-job training and experience - AFTER one has discovered or made oneself.
This is why my strongest reaction to the program was shock that a recent and revered former president of Stanford is a COMPUTER SCIENTIST, who majored in college as an ENGINEER. Although affable and obviously intelligent, his education apparently consisted of looking deep within and finding a love of a trending technology, and then making himself into a specialist in a field so narrow that people working in it are obsolete after ten years, and then either become managers or unemployable derelicts. The latter happened to two cousins of mine, one (with a Masters in Computer Science) of whom is unemployed and supported by his social worker wife, and the other who owned a liquor store for a while, and is now retired on social security. Both are discouraged and bitter, as I would be in their shoes.
What appreciation can a man who "found himself" by sitting in a computer lab night after night in college, and then went on to study computing in more depth, and finally to teach it, have of the wide range of human knowledge and inquiry that is the object of study at a great, or even a run-of-the-mill university?
I can only infer that this ex-president of Stanford was really good at raising money, and had good people skills as well. His discussion today of how Stanford admits students reflected an eye totally uncritical of the current selection process, and also of the way college students are currently educated, with a strong emphasis on success, and finding a profession suited to their talents. These are no doubt goals that Stanford is very good at achieving, but their student cohort is such that most of them would do as well, or better, if they were to graduate from any other accredited college or university. The real value of a Stanford education to most graduates is the name "Stanford" on their resumes, as well as, perhaps, the network of connections they may have made while there.