Transformative Experiences
Saturday, November 15, 2014 -- 4:00 PM
Ken Taylor

This week,  our topic has to do with so-called transformative experiences.  Some events in a person’s life are so powerful, so life-altering, that there’s a sense in which he or she may not be the same person before and after the event.   Now I’m not talking about winning a mega-lottery, for example.  Doing that would, of course, change my life.  I could buy more stuff.  Maybe I would work less. Certainly, I would travel more. Those kinds of changes aren’t really what we have in mind, though. Those are just changes in the external circumstances of my life.

Think more about  basic values  – the sort of things that help to make you, you.  I’d like to think that money  -- even a great deal of money -- wouldn't change  my basic values in any way.   I admit that  there are people who can’t seem to handle sudden wealth.  It turns them into completely different people – people their former selves wouldn’t recognize or approve of.  For people like that winning a big lottery would be transformative –  too often in a negative way. But there are plenty of positive transformations too  -- like having your first child or starting out in your chosen profession.  

More generally, a transformative experience is one that somehow alters what matters to you.  Those are really important experiences.  Growing up, for example, typically involves a whole host of them.

But there’s even more to transformative experience than this.  Begin by thinking of what it’s like to give birth to that first child.  Now for me that's something I’m pretty sure, I’m never going to know.  As a man, I can’t possibly know what it’s like to give birth, because I'm never going to have the relevant experience.  But even a woman can’t know what it’s like to bear a child until she takes the plunge and  actually bears one herself.   In the absence of the experience of bearing a child,  a women is completely ignorant of what bearing a child would be like.

Now I suspect some will want to disagree. After all, they will say,  people are capable of learning lots of things from other people, without directly experiencing them for themselves.  You want to know what it’s like to give birth? Talk to women who have been there and done that.  Read some good books.  Go to parenting classes.  Watch videos of babies being born.  

I grant that those are all good ways of gaining information.   But it will only get you so far.  It’s no substitute for your own first hand experience. It’ll tell you something about what it was like for THEM to have the experience.  But it won’t tell you what it would be like for YOU to do so.

But what if I know that I’m similar to them in relevant ways?  In that case, won’t knowing what it’s like for them tell me a lot about what it would be like for me? The answer, I think, is that it will not.  That’s because I can’t really know that I am similar to them in the respect that really matters – call it experientially similar, if you will – until I actually have the experience and then somehow compare what it’s like for them to what it’s like for me.  In other words, only experience alone can teach me what it’s like to be me -- what kind of experiencer, if you will, that I happen to be.  Am I one of those types who would experience parenthood, say, as a great joy or one of those types who would experience it as a great burden.   I might have a guess about which type I am.  But I can’t really KNOW which type I am, until I have an experience and see what it reveals about me qua experiencer.  This means that there is a sense in which certain experiences transform us epistemically.   They alter how we see both the world and ourselves in relation to the world, they open up new imaginative possibilities, that we could not have anticipated before the actual experience.  I might have been able to imagine having a child before having one, but I could not really imagine it qua kind of experiencer that only experience can reveal me to be.

If this is right, then when a  person decides to undergo a potentially transformative experience, they are taking a complete shot in the dark.   In fact, she is taking something like a double shot in the dark.   First, she has no idea what experiences she will have or what those experiences will be like,  if she chooses to have them.  Second, she has no idea how her values will change in light of those experiences.   

But this raises the question of how anyone could ever decide – rationally decide – to undergo one of these doubly transformative experiences. When we make decisions rationally, we decide partly on the basis of what we believe will happen, once we make the decision, and partly on the basis of how we value the expected outcomes. But in the case of these doubly transformative experiences, we have no idea either what sort of outcome to expect, nor how we will value that antecedently unknowable outcome once it happens. 

And that is why experiences that transform us are worth philosophizing about.   People DO in fact choose to undergo transformative experiences. They enlist in the army, have children, choose a profession, change their nationality.  We’d like to think that their choices are rational – or not insane – at least sometimes. But it’s unclear how such choices can, in fact, be rational.  I don’t mean to imply that such decisions are a mere matter of whimsy.     I’m just saying that it’s really puzzling not only how we, in fact, go about making them, but also how we should go about making them.   Frankly, I’m stumped.  I don’t have a clue how we are going to solve this puzzle.  So why not give us a hand and see what we can come up together?

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Tuesday, August 8, 2017 -- 5:45 PM

One of you said during the

One of you said during the show today something to the effect that you don't worry about eating meat because other species eat each other. While true, I feel that rationalization falls short in a couple ways.

First, other meat-eating species presumably are not aware of the suffering they cause in the way that perceptive/aware human beings are. Doesn't greater responsibility come with greater awareness, in the same way that we would hold an adult responsible for pushing someone out a window to their death, but we would not hold an infant responsible for doing the same?

Second, I think we should aspire to someday create a reality in which species can co-exist without causing each other to suffer. Plants are able to get their nutrients from the sun. Developing some kind of morally equivalent means for other animals to derive sustenance without causing suffering (help them evolve beyond it?) seems like an important long-term goal, even if we are not close to being able to implement it at present. In the meantime, human scientists are working on lab-created meat that is meat but did not come from any living animal. Hopefully in the future this will replace factory farming, fishing, and so on, for those who still find the taste of meat and dairy products enjoyable and are not already vegans.

P.S. – Having to create an account in order to post here is hassle enough. I already had to waste time with a "Captcha" thing in order to do that; having to do another "Captcha" in order to post – and then another, when the first one apparently "expired" while I was typing my comment – seems more than excessive. Makes me not want to bother participating here at all. A better approach to combating spam in my view is empowering community members flag and remove it.

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Harold G. Neuman

Thursday, August 10, 2017 -- 11:51 AM

There are, as you have

There are, as you have suggested, many sorts of transformative experience. Seven years in another country was transformative for me. And not in every way GOOD transformative. (Apparently spell-check does not like transformative---it lit it up every time.) Well, anyway, my notion of transformative is more along the lines of what Michael Murphy wrote in Future of the Body, some years ago. His anecdotal accounts of the accomplishments of "ordinary humans" were fascinating, to say the least. He and George Leonard taught me much. And, I am pretty sure most of their lessons are valid today. We are WHAT we eat, certainly, but maybe more importantly, we are also HOW MUCH. The current emphasis on large people and the acceptance of what was once considered obesity astounds me. But, then again, meaning changes with trendy regularity. I am thin and have, except for my forties, always been. I felt physically dreadful then, and upon retiring from an equally dreadful career, I dropped thirty-five pounds! Now that (for me) was a transformation.